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Originally Posted by fortunesfool
Can't really argue the Cameron thing, there are some serious clangers in Avatar.  |
Not just Avatar. The dialogue in Titanic is dire and when I recently rewatched T2 on telly, I was shocked at how clunky and try-hard the dialogue is. Good god, it has dated SO badly it's not true. I've come to recognise that dialogue is a consistent weakness with Cameron. The only time I can think of where he gets it right is Aliens, because the marines are wisecracking. It works there, and even manages some memorable quotes. But all attempts since to recapture that slickness have been big fails, by Cameron and his many would-be copyists.
It's probably a fair cop to say the Dark Knight films are sometimes guilty of taking themselves too seriously. Especially Batman Begins which I try to forget about. But TDKR managed one or two chuckle moments. Not as many as AA, obviously.
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It's a dumb film for sure, but every scene is full of lovely character moments and it's those that make me want to watch a film again.
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I get what you're saying, but in some ways the film is so dumb that I think one or two watches and I'd be done with it, even with those lovely character moments. Tony Stark is really in love with himself; doesn't mean the rest of us have to be.
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The tone in dark knight is so serious that the superhero stuff just jars and seems stupid.
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It is undeniably serious and dark, but I'd argue there isn't as much superhero stuff in TDKR. You see Wayne brought down to his most basic...in prison, without gimmicks, barely able to move for the pain. All the superhero stuff is really his technology and this is used as much by the bad guys as it is by him. So it's more of a human story, and in that sense, hard to compare with people who can make the sky crackle by throwing a hammer on the ground etc.
I guess the bottom line is, they're too different to easily bear comparison. It comes down to which approach you like. Dark and gritty, character-driven but taking itself quite seriously - or big dumb and fun with supposedly endearing moments between characters.