Pirates 4

[Dazman1975]

I must admit that i loved the first, the 2nd was ok and the 3rd was utter tosh!
But i have heard on the old rumor mill that Russell Brand is in talks to take a roll as Jack Sparrows Brother!

Whether this is true or not i have no idea but as long as they keep the next one to around 2hrs tops it should be better then the last one in my eyes !

[snowplowsteve]

Consider the possible budget and then the number of people starving and unclothed in Third World countries.

[Ancient One]

Consider the possible budget and then the number of people starving and unclothed in Third World countries.

Consider the budget then consider the astronomical amount of financial, econonmical and physical aid that has been poured into third world countries since the inaugeration of the various charities and organisations designed to "help" them.
The point is there is no way not to spend large amounts on movies in present times. Therefore your only true protest against this is to stop watching movies. Your choice.

[snowplowsteve]

Originally Posted by Ancient One

Consider the budget then consider the astronomical amount of financial, econonmical and physical aid that has been poured into third world countries since the inaugeration of the various charities and organisations designed to "help" them.
The point is there is no way not to spend large amounts on movies in present times. Therefore your only true protest against this is to stop watching movies. Your choice.

Believe me, I'm in no way charity-obsessive, and I also have no problem at all spending large amounts of money on making films.

What I have a problem with is spending said huge amounts of money on films like Pirates Of The Caribbean 3. Or Spiderman 3. And Evan Almighty. Or Transformers.

[Ancient One]

ah, thats different. Thats like squandering money that could be used elsewhere to provide care etc for those who would benefit from it ( British Film ) and not plowing it into some despotic , genocidal dictators pocket ( Hollywood ).

Please draw your own conclusions from the above as to my personal views.

[snowplowsteve]

I can totally agree with that idea. Obviously.

But now that y'mention British film I'd hasten to give money to "British Film" in general. Some of it's pretty dire.

Love, Actually for one.

This thread's just becoming a list of my hates.

[Roba Fett]

I certainly agree the money could be better spent elsewhere.
The simple solution is for people to stop turning up and supporting this sh1te. Studios would soon try raising their game when they realise their lazy, dumbass films are costing them money!

[snowplowsteve]

Ain't that the dream.

But people have children. So that idea has no chance.

WHAT A STATE THE WORLD'S IN.

You may say we're at the end of the world.

At World's End.

HA!

[Goodland]

The problem that ruined the Pirates movies was that they listened to the fans too much. Just tell the story that they want to tell - one that bloody makes sense.

The first film was a pleasant surprise,it really had no right to be as much fun as it was - although it did lose its way a little about the half-way mark...

The second was bloated, replacing some of the humour with an overly convoluted plot and unnecessary returning characters - However, at the same time, Davy Jones and the Kraken were great additions whilst the Bootstrap Bill storyline and downer ending were both pretty promising.

By the time they got to the third one they were so desperate to please that they reacted so ridiculously to popular opinion. I mean, Star Wars fans had been listened to in the same way, Return of the Jedi would have dumped the dull Skywalker character (as Bloom was shat on in the third film) and Leia and Han would have taken over - making no bloody sense if you look at the three films together.

Sometimes film-makers have to recognise that a film does need pacing and direction; it does need the straight man as well as the comedy characters. Otherwise it loses all focus.

Plus some of the other decisions - Keira Knightly becoming the Queen of Pirates based entirely on her ability to shout loud in a posh accent, writing off the Kraken for no good reason (The baddies testing the loyalty of Davy Jones?? Surely this pretty cool super-weapon may have been of some use to them?), the red-tape obsessed pirates, Chow-yun fat being there just to pass his vote to Keira... all ********.

The first two films I can still sit down and enjoy. The third, except for the ending, I just can't be bothered with. Life's too short.

The fourth sounds more and more like pandering to fans - writing out Bloom and Knightly, focusing on Depp and the Geoffrey "Did-they-really-need-to-bring-him-back?" Rush. Talk of Russell Brand playing Depp's dodgy brother (no doubt squashed by his recent popularity) - All sound awful.

[DeFantom]

The original surprised everyone by not being buttock-clenchingly dreadful, regardless of how awful Orvil Bloom was.

By the time 2 came around the story had gotten so overly complex it seemed to forgetten it was a popcorn-blockbuster based on a theme park ride, it disappeared up it's own Davy Jones' locker.

The less said about 3 and the atrocious pouting/frowning, sorry, acting of Keira "little more than a pair of lips on a twiglet" Knightley and Orlando "Solely on display to attract tweens" Bloom.

Part 4 not required, it would only futher dilute the pleasure of the 1st from being a cracking adventure film in it's own right to simply a lucky introdution to a series of rapidly diminishing quality.