Joel Schumacher wanted to make The Dark Knight

And he wanted Nic Cage to play Scarecrow

Batman & Robin director Joel Schumacher has claimed he wanted to make a Dark Knight style follow-up to the Batman film even Batman says is terrible. 
But Warner Brothers liked the Batman & Robin dailies so much (HOW?) they tasked Schumacher with making a fifth film, presumably starring Clooney, entitled BatmanTriumphant.
“I was supposed to do a fifth one" Schumacher said. "I was talking to Nic Cage about playing the Scarecrow. I had begged the studio for The Dark Knight but they wanted a family friendly, toyetic thing."
Triumphant would have seen Batman getting gassed by Scarecrow’s fear toxins and having visions of his former foes, including Jack Nicholson’s Joker.
Which, quite frankly, would have been beyond awesome. 
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 Is it just us or does that sound awesome? Just us? Fine. 


    • ChrisWootton

      Oct 5th 2011, 17:30

      b******t. Batman Triumphant was the working title for Batman & Robin. Schumacher is such a tool.. he hasn't made a decent film in about 15 years. t**t

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    • badger86

      Oct 5th 2011, 17:30

      This story has been around for years, pretty sure they talk about it on the special ed. dvds.

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    • mcghater

      Oct 5th 2011, 17:54

      took the words out of my mouth there chriswooton

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    • aleks989

      Oct 5th 2011, 18:20

      LOL ! He should get a bullet in his head for this. Anyone could have made a better Batman then him. If you wanna stay alive man, don't open your mouth for anything about the Batman universe. You just don't belong there.

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    • MikeyRix

      Oct 5th 2011, 18:34

      This guy sounds (here) like the clingy girlfriend who wants you to take her back despite doing something so abhorrent that it caused you to dump her in the first place... XD

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    • anant

      Oct 5th 2011, 18:59

      i don't much blame Schumacher for the batman he made. he was told to do so. childish, family friendly and summer multiplex blockbuster. i blame the studio who just wanted to pump maximum money from the franchise. poor Schumacher and Clooney were the only ones who suffered. Clooney was a rookie desperate to work with a big studio and franchise, at least somehow found his feet and made a name for himself but Schumacher got blacklisted for life and was branded a s****y director (which he actually is!). but he should shut up about batman, if he knows what is good for him.

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    • anant

      Oct 5th 2011, 19:01

      i wish something like this happens to ws anderson as well when someone someday makes a decent resident evil. that's another guy who should be blacklisted for life.

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    • albongo

      Oct 5th 2011, 19:10

      What Schumacher is saying is a lie. He is the only one to blame for the horrible treatment of my beloved Batman. And now he is trying to save face?! That makes me hate him even more so. Away with him!

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    • SiMan

      Oct 5th 2011, 19:26

      What puzzles me the most is with the amount of critisism levelled at Batman Forever on the art style, direction, etc. How could a director not take any of that onboard and not only ignore thoses critisisms, but take those points to a new level of awfulness and make them worse.

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    • joker16

      Oct 5th 2011, 22:40

      It's amazing to think that Schumacher made Falling Down. That is such a great film and Schumacher is such a hack.

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    • Toursiveu

      Oct 5th 2011, 22:45

      I remember that Jeff Goldblum at the time, was supposed to be the Scarecrow...

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    • KerrAvon

      Oct 5th 2011, 22:50

      In Tigerland Scumacher proved he could actually make a half decent film as long as you take his budget away from him. But then again for giving us Batman and Robin I would gladly push him out of a moving vehicle.

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    • trist808

      Oct 5th 2011, 23:02

      Batman Triumphant was always the working title for the fifth film, not Batman & Robin, that was always called Batman & Robin even in pre-production ... of course it has since become known by many other names. Most of which if I wrote them here would get letters edited out (lol). And yes Goldblum was up for the role of Scarecrow in the fifth film due to his star rising after the success of Independence Day & The Lost World and was originally planned for summer 1999. Not sure if Cage was ever mentinoned back then (I remember him being considered for the new Superman in 1998), but the awful critical response and lacklustre box office of B&R killed all of that off pretty quickly anyway. Schummy has made some good films, The Lost Boys, Falling Down, Tigerland ... I have to admit to liking Phone Booth a lot, but most of his work is substandard in comparison. Let's all be grateful that he left the fifth one well alone and Mr Nolan came along ... plus let's also be grateful that the studio finally woke up to what Batman could deliver on the big screen, darker, character-driven (as opposed to toy product-placement) powerful and moving without sentiment and not pandering to the kids or families.

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    • alexr

      Oct 6th 2011, 8:06

      I have to say I like some of his standalone movies (as trist808 points out Lost Boys and Phone Booth), but I would never let Schuey near another franchise. Ever.

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    • chaosdefined

      Oct 6th 2011, 10:07

      This is the problem when some Directors are given big budgets to make big action movies, they c**k up. Paul WS Anderson directed Event Horizon remember? Sadly though I doubt he'll stop making Resident Evil movies because for some reason there are so many people who go to see them. Sadly the type of people who have been brought up to believe all an action movie needs are t**s and explosions, plot is irellevent.

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    • tomclempson

      Oct 7th 2011, 12:08

      But it would still have been made by the same guy who directed Batman & Robin, who, I seem to remember, wanted to take Batman back to the camp and colourful world of the Adam West TV series. Thank god he never got his hands on the dark knight. *shudders*

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    • Siban1982

      Oct 9th 2011, 12:08

      This just seems like an attempt for some redemption blaming the studio etc. Sure they may have wanted a more family fun adventure but you can do that whilst still keeping acting and directing in tact and to a decent standard. When you're a director, you're meant to direct the scene, including the acting, what's his excuse for the acting? Funny how this story comes out so long after Batman and Robin and during the highly successful, critically acclaimed as well, Nolan films??? Someone said the story is quite old - first I've heard about it and the same for quite a few others it seem too. Schumacher is a joke of a director now and this hasn't helped him in the slightest. If he wanted to make Batman darker, not having pink and green lighting would've been a big start and Nic Cage as Scarecrow?! Jesus that's funny. What a tool.

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